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anonymous

"All those who live in the same country where their parents reside may, with the authorization of the center’s director, visit them twice a year on the occasion of name days and birthdays, except in the year of formation."

I always misunderstood this: Does this mean you can visit your mom twice and your dad twice, or do you only get two home visits and you have to pick which of the four dates you want to go home for. And if they are divorced, you could visit dad once and mom once.

From my experience, this statute isn't respected.

Several problems:

Scheduling conflicts: The urgency of the mission often makes it impossible to "get time off." Or, you might have a trip planned, and it would get canceled b/c of urgent business.

Who pays for your ticket home? Families supporting the Legion might pay for it, but those who don't, probably won't. So the consecrated might not get to go home, depending on the decision of the directress. (I know my directress called my mom several times demanding her to pay for my ticket home).

Exceptions/favoritism: Families who support the Legion and who could pay to travel where their son/daughter is, could see their families more, and take them to dinner. Or if they show up to a conference of RC and their son/daughter was there, they got to see them.

Lots of exceptions...

Anonymous

At least as far as the apostolics go, I am virtually certain they will not be accepted into LC school if their parents are divorced. If I am mistaken on that, please correct me.

That always made me wonder----so your vocation is dependent on your parents' marriage status?? Does that sound strange to anybody else?

Daniel

Right, no boy is ever to be allowed into the apostolic school if his parents are divorced. This rule has NO exceptions, ever.

Juana Inés

And if they divorce later?

St Michael protect our Church

We know many divorced parents in L/C school that our children attended.
If you have MONEY you will be able to stay.

giselle

Daniel was referring specifically to apostolics. The LC/RC schools across the country have no such restrictions. Tuition money is tuition money (but the kids will be treated differently in subtle ways).

anonymous

I know of a few consecrated who had divorced parents.

And what if the parents were together, and then got a divorce. Would the apostolic be kicked out.

That's a very strange rule...

Maybe it's to avoid double the home visits...LOL! Anything to avoid letting them out!!

HH

We are in a different time than St. Isaac Jogues, at time of rapid communication and travel, a time when, we hope, there has been a renewed and healthy understanding of family life.

HH

"Who pays for your ticket home? Families supporting the Legion might pay for it, but those who don't, probably won't. So the consecrated might not get to go home, depending on the decision of the directress. (I know my directress called my mom several times demanding her to pay for my ticket home)."

Maciel seemed to have no money problems jetting around to visit his families. And even to jet them off to Rome!

pam

I was often asked by the LC priest who would visit our home if I knew of any boys who were interested in the priesthood. When I told him about one boy I knew he seemed very eager to get his info until he found out his parents were divorced. He just shook his head and I knew the conversation was over.

Later on I realized that this family just would not fit in with all the RC families. The RC families always talk about the good catholic families they meet thru RC. That is because the Legion preys on good catholic families...they don't form them.

Still RC - For Now, Anyway

" . . . the Legion preys on good catholic families...they don't form them."

Totally agree. These families were good solid Catholic families from the get-go. I just laugh whenever someone tells me "where would my family be without RC?" As if RC turned that family from the drug house to the house of God . . .

And what's with the "no divorce no vocation" rule? That can't even be Catholic! If our diocese had applied that standard to the priests here we'd be shortchanged big time because some of them are products of broken households and are wonderful, holy priests.

Just goes to show you how sloppy is the LC thinking. A vocation is from God, not from the Legion and the Legion, if interested in all these young men, should at least take the time to get to know them first before inviting them to Chesire to "test their call".

Jon

"Right, no boy is ever to be allowed into the apostolic school if his parents are divorced. This rule has NO exceptions, ever."

LC recognises divorce?

The Catholic Church doesn't.

Still RC - For Now, Anyway

Jon, all annulled marriages must go through the civil divorce first. That's my understanding of how the annullment process works. And while the Church doesn't have "divorce" in it's lexicon (what God has joined together no one may divide) on a practical basis it has lots of ministries serving divorced parishioners so in that sense it certainly does recognize that divorce exists. So the LC would certainly recognize that as well.

I'm guessing that the LC's decision is a "prudential" one ie it has had bad experience with children of divorced parents or there are too many complicating factors regarding child support and visitation etc. (if they are minors). But I've never heard that the Church does not allow vocations to the priesthood if the parents are divorced, separated, annulled or whatever.

gregorbo

Um, Jon? Hate to break it to you but it's not that the Legion does not recognize divorce.

Maciel was a serial sexual predator who, it turns out, fathered children with three different women--none of whom he married.

The Legion doesn't recognize MARRIAGE as a sacramental vocation--so divorce doesn't even enter into it.

Anonymous

LOL, Gregorbo!!

Yes, divorce really doesn't factor into it when you consider Maciel was very much into common-law marriage and apparently NOT into either civil OR sacramental marriage.

What a joke.

finally free

I remember about a year ago our area was trying to "collect information" on the families involved in FAMILIA. They said it was to serve the families better...but they specifically wanted to know about the ages of the kids....we flat out disagreed this was a nessesary need & when the issue was pressed we flat out refused to do it....guess I'm just not "docile" enough....i really hate that word!

RCdisgust

Vocations coming from divorced families:
Fr. Mitch Pacwa and Mother Angelica
Where would today's Church be without them?

Still RC - For Now, Anyway

Hah - the oh-so-superior Legion of Christ has just been one-up'ed by the Jesuits. I really don't know many priests who are as smart as Fr. Pacwa SJ.

And if MM were 1/100th as faithful as Mother Angelica perhaps he would have been able to accomplish something of true good.

anonymous

Does anyone know if this was also true for consecrated? Well, I know of two consecrated with divorced parents. Could it be that once they are older it didn't matter. Was this just for apostolics? Was it b/c they were much more trouble than they are worth? I find this extremely disturbing!!

It is what it is

finally free - I was looped into RC through Familia (of course!)and was barely a member one month before I was pressured to give the name, address, and phone numbers of two people the movement could recruit over the coming year. I asked why they needed their personal information. The response was, you guessed it, a blank stare! I quickly realized questions were not to be asked because they would never be answered. I really pushed the woman to give a solid answer and did not cave because I thought it an invasion of their privacy. Needless to say, I did not have a bright future in RC.

dcs

"Jon, all annulled marriages must go through the civil divorce first."

In the U.S. this is true. Other countries might have different rules.

ambivalentPC

When I entered the precandidacy, they called my parents and asked for their marriage license. My mom was very upset and offended by this -- she could not see a reason why they would need it. My parents have been happily married for over 25 years, but don't see that their marriage license should be demanded of them in every circumstance.

I believe this rule is just in place for the minors (precandidates, apostolics). After all, didn't MM's father leave his family? I remember hearing recently that he had.

The parents' birthdays and names days visit is once for each parent. I think they just do birthdays in countries that celebrate those, and name days in Mexico and other places where these are more important -- though I am not sure. The precandidates had this visit option, but we were allowed to use those two days a year for any days we wanted -- I pooled mine together to go to my younger brother's baptism.

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