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Mouse from Am Pap

Wow. Honestly, that's mind-boggling. Though I wish I could have seen the interviewers face during that exchange....

She is right though--congregations follow the example set by their founder. (shudder) The implications are chilling.

Still RC - For Now, Anyway

"The marital promises are a perfect example of what I mean: “I promise to be faithful to you in good times and bad times, in sickness and in health, and to love and respect you all the days of my life." ”

Well, now I've heard everything - Lucretia has just raised the personal call to RC to the level of a sacrament. Frankly, I shouldn't be surprised.

Actually, I really should NOT be surprised. I now recall the same comparison made by an RC formator in my section in the wake of the MM news last Feb. Apparantly she had just returned from an RC-sponsored Marriage Renewal evening and the preacher (a diocesan priest, BTW, NOT a legionary) mentioned how his own parents persevered in their marriage through prayer and sacrifice despite infidelity, etc. The conclusion of those hearing this news: "No doubt he was encouraging us to persevere in our vocation to RC". Of course. After all, it was a MARRIAGE renewal evening but I guess it's always about that vocation to RC.

I can't even imagine what needs to be done in order to correct this level of malformation.

anonymous

This woman reminds me of my sister, an ardent RC member, who of course defends maciel...and who also defends our biological father, who sexually abused us.

Both women seem to be broken, in a deep and tragic way.

Molly Callahan

Seriously, there are no words.

m

This is just completely sick. I see why my RC friend is stuck without the ability to see reality. It's so scary that there are probably thousands of people out there thinking the same way -- that MM was perfectly fine.

When Pope Benedict XVI came out with that statement on how people need to get back imitating the lives of their founders, I took that as a warning, not as a High Five for RC/LC members. It seemed very obvious to me, but not to any of the RC people.

It seems like step one was "separate yourselves from the founder," and step two was "If there's a valid charism, then follow your founder."

Doesn't it seem so obvious? Hello, you were supposed to separate & you didn't, so here's the next warning. Pope Benedict is being very diplomatic & generous with his patience, but he's dealing with people who are completely blind. If it's bugging ME, it must be driving him bonkers!!!!!

gregorbo

Anonymous--I'm so sorry. Please know that there are those of us out there praying for you. I hope all is well. God Bless You. He knew you in the womb. He has counted all the hairs on your head.

Freetobe

We were told in retreats that we received our "vocation" to Regnum Christi at baptism and it is irrevocable. "It was the big umbrella that all other vocations fit under".

What a crock, but nevertheless, very binding for the gullible and naive.

Still RC - For Now, Anyway

I like what my pastor told me once:

"If it helps you spiritually, stay. If it doesn't, you can drop them like a hot potato no problems whatsoever". Anything else is just bunk. The RC vocation is a PERSONAL CALL with no binding commitment. It's not to be confused with any covenant made through one of the sacraments. It's not a substitute for Christ nor is it Christ. It's there if we need it to progress in holiness. If we don't need it, or don't need it anymore, we can drop it.

Now, how about if THAT were told to us by our spiritual guides, our team leaders or by Fr. whozeewhat LC at our Triduum of Incorporation?

Nothing like a little Breath of Truth, compliments of the Holy Spirit.

Joseph

There are SO many problems with this interview.

Some key points:

There are not 340 visitations in the US. There is 1 visitation of female religious congregations. This is largely because female religious congregations have gone off the rails and need to be drawn back to their charism. This 1 visitation covers hundreds of religious houses, but it is still one visitation.

There are two key problems with these two paragraphs:

"It makes no difference. Fr. Maciel never told us he was a saint. On the contrary, in all his letters he recognizes himself to be a miserable creature in need of God's mercy.

Regardless of whether he had many or a few sins, large or small, no one can deny that he was the instrument chosen by God to found the Legion. And God could not have made a mistake when he chose his instrument, because God makes no mistakes."

The first is that Fr Maciel placed himself on a pedestal. Fr maciel said very clearly that he never said no to the Holy Spirit. My wife heard him say this with her own ears. She had this drilled into her when she was consecrated. What is this except calling oneself a saint?

Secondly, one cannot state that God chose MM to found the congregation and that because God makes no mistakes that all is fine. it is not necessarily correct that God called MM to be a founder. MM may have had only human motivations in his founding while God, who works everything for our good, brought about good fruits and blessings from the humanly inspired institution of MM.

Finally, this paragraph is so troubling:

"About the “large sums of money” that is said Fr. Maciel gave the mother of the girl... the press has mentioned the amounts of $5,000 to $10,000, which Fr. Maciel carried with him now and then. Are 10,000 dollars given now and then a scandalous amount to provide for a family? Absolutely not. It's barely enough to ensure that the child (who has no guilt in the story) gets clothing, a home, food, and an education in a place that is dignified and decent. What we do know is that Nuestro Padre worked much for the Legion and that, humanly speaking, he had every right (as laborer and director of an enterprise) to dispose of some money for his personal expenses (in this case, providing for this implausible family)."

Actually, in most civilised countries, and in morality as well, even the sole owner and director of a company cannot take the company's funds and use them as they wish. There is a strict legal separation between the company and its owners and directors. Using a company's cash for personal purposes is called corruption and theft and there are people in jail for such crimes. Perhaps some cultures have a more easy going attitude to financial corruption.

But of course, we are not dealing only with a company here, nor are we dealing with mere positive (man made) law, and the moral requirement of probity and honest behaviour is much higher under Divine Law...

another exLegionary

Exactly Joseph! "I have never said no to God," he said it again and again, it was held up to us by superiors as an example of fidelity, to encourage us to fulfill the 640,00 little rules of daily life so we would blow our nose correctly and sharpen our pencil correctly and take a dump correctly.

Lucretia is doing more good to show what is wrong with LC/RC than anything ReGAIN could possibly come up with. She will be silenced ex post haste, probably moved.

Her text is a prime example of consecrated talk. Prime example. If you want to know what it's like to live in a consecrated center, read that interview and pretend you're listening to a conversation, and repeat it about three or four times until you're ready to barf.

I think now it's clear aliens have landed in Rhode Island, sucked out their brains, and are now pretending to be human.

another exLegionary

"Fr Thomas Berg is who he is only thanks to the Legion."

Only? Really? Does the Legion now create people ex nihilo? That's a neat trick.

I think AB Chaput should be armed with a Thorzine dart gun before he steps foot on LC soil. Just to be safe.

Jeannette

I'm sorry, but all I can think about is how we're always told to look at the "fruits of the Legion".

Dominus Flevit

Indeed, here are the Legion's fruits.

Which turn out to be nuts.

exRC

I also heard MM say he never once said no to the Holy Spirit. It was in the Palacio de los Deportes, during priestly ordenations.
I also know Lucrecia personally, and what troubles me more is that it seems really hard to believe that she is saying all these without her spiritual director or section director's permission, since, at least until some years ago, she was second degree, third "matiz". I don´t think she would be making these statements without permission, although I can not be sure.
At least I know some of MM family is in the same denial attitude. One of MM´s sister´s family is still saying that he was a saint, that all this is an ingratitude, and that when his daughter was conceived he was sick (because of the brain surgery) and all that nonsense.
But what another exLegionary said is true: Lucrecia´s words do good, because they help everyone see the fanatism and brain wash that takes place in this group.

HH

Well there is now a son born 28 years ago, well before the brain surgery or injury that occasioned it. Tell that to Sis Maciel.

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