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aaron

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Fr John

Phrases like this make my blood boil. "Gabriel says there are many comments that are hurtful to him, it hurts him to be refered to as 'the cúpula'. He considers the congregation to be a family, a group of friends, though many are no longer inside, THEY WILL ALWAYS BE LEGIONARIES." Fr Garza said the same thing. Obviously it's something they all have heard in theirs Sunday Talks, retreats and spiritual direction (oh, I'm sorry, it's formation dialogue now). In the long run, they are still taught to think and feel what the Cúpula decides is right.

Scipio Africanus

Absolutely Fr. John, it strikes me a lot to see how they all answer basically in the same way. By the way, not giving a damm for Maciel's and his system's victims. It is obvious these were not spontaneous interviews but masterminded by Fr. Schöggl, but it still surprises me.

Hope

According to this article, the Legion's spokesman claims that the news on Maciel were given to all Legionaries with clarity. That's NOT TRUE.

When I heard the news, my superior did not want to tell me, he only said, "One of the accusations is true". Finally I got him to tell me that Maciel had fathered a Child. When I asked him if he had abused young seminarians or was addicted to drugs, my superior laugh and said, "Fr Maciel did so many good things. Many people would slander him with those false accusations".

I finally found everything out, until my Spiritual Director, who left the Legion, told me everything. From then on I knew that they I couldn't think of my superirs as "friends or family", but rather a "cúpula". I felt betrayed, it wasn't until the Vatican Comuniqué that I confirmed what my Spiritual Director had told me.

Scipio Africanus

Hope: I confirm that. We probably didn't have the same superior. He told at least five different versions of Maciel's misdeeds in less than one year depending on when he spoke with each one. As these newly ordained priests confirm, we probably know now why the LCs don't care about Maciel's victims. Simply because they don't even believe they are victims

giselle

"He remains silent because his eyes and are full of tears. 'Social rejection is a blow, the people we know at the time gave us much support, but it has been very unfair...'"

Here would be an excellent place to start. Dear Father: how do you think Juan Vaca, Jose Barba and the rest of the victims felt when they were rejected as liars and enemies of God? What about the marginalisation and smearing of all who believed them? How many Legionaries were themselves ostracised for not signing onto the "mission" over the years?

pete vere

P.S. Spoke with a friend of mine today who is a former L.C., but left while still a seminarian and is now a diocesan priest and a canon lawyer who has helped many victims of clerical sexual misconduct. He expressed deep concern for the victims, and besides helping victims both pastorally and canonically, will offer Masses for victims.

One thing he said to me is that many priests from smaller, rural or inner-city parishes don't receive a whole lot of Mass intentions. He's not the only one to tell me this recently; a very orthodox priest from a nearby small parish told me the same thing.

Both priests would love to receive more Mass requests from the faithful, including those for abuse victims. They were also very clear that it's not a money thing, and have at times refused the stipend stating the intention was a good one, they didn't need the money, and that they were just happy to have a good intention from the faithful for their weekday Masses.

So I would urge LC priests following this blog to offer Masses for Maciel's victims, and I would similarly encourage other readers of the blog to check with local priests to see if they're short on Mass intentions, and if so to have Masses said for the victims as well.

All prayer sincerely offered to Christ is good, however, the Mass is the greatest prayer one can offer for others.

Anonymous

"how did they they found it possible to offer their body and soul to the priesthood within the congregation that in recent years has faced serious scandals because of Marcial Maciel, now repudiated by the Vatican."

Answer: Because they are still brainwashed.

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