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I used to post alot on exlcblog when the MM scandal hit the fan. And hearing this newest addition to the LC saga, I didn't want to miss the freak show famly reunion.

Now I know why I was not a good Legionary all those years- didn't get laid enough.

To be honest, I am not surprised at all by this news. I would imagine that similar sins have been committed by many of the top leadership, and as one of the posters suggested, this is just the tip if the iceberg. The post of Red Cardigan mentioned just above offers a very good explanation of how dysfunctional families work, and for the Church, the most dysfunctional family of all is the Legion.

Yes, it is clearly time for us to do a novena to free those who are still tangled in this LC/RC web and to shut down all the schools and apostolates this group posing as a Catholic orthodox religious order supervises. How many people will lose their faith over this scandal? My advice to any priest: stay out of the media!

Yeah, if Fr. Barron ever ends up in a sex scandal, I'll be REALLY annoyed.

Though I think I've found the common thread with sex scandal priests vs. 'straight and narrow' priests

The sex scandal media priests talk about themselves a lot. The straight and narrow (like Fulton Sheen) talk about God, ideas, theology, etc.... but not a lot about their own personal lives.

Which is why I have high hopes that Fr. Barron won't go all Corapi on us--- Corapi, it was all about him, his past, etc. etc.

Fr. Barron? You can watch every single episode of Word on Fire and still know NOTHING about his personal life. (Except that he sees a fair number of pretty lousy movies. Which is basically required of Chicago priests, as far as I can tell!)

Jose Gomes sounds like he is a fricken nut and lives under a rock someplace down in mexico.

Ohh, I know it first hand, second hand, and third hand from published research over the past 30 years.

Again, anybody know when Fr. Williams entered? It would be good to know if Legion early formation could have been a part of this, by causing development and maturation problems.

Mary ann, from what I recall, Thomas Williams was doing his internship in the novitiate in Cheshire somewhere around 1986-1988... it would seem that he entered therefore in the late 70s or early 80s. From Little light's posts, I am guessing that he would know better.
Btw, Scipio or Scipio's buddy, or either/both of you in the legion, still or know how this TW bomb is hitting legionaries? Is it still a department store of mannequins or are they actually coming to life?

Oh, I see somebody answered my question, saying he entered after college. Yet he was already a priest when he had this relationship. And the Legion takes a long time to make priests. Did he get ordained earlier than usual?

The Fr. Williams affair is a scandal and a tragedy. It's not the first and won't be the last time a priest has an affair and/or a child. So, I say enough with the puritanical self righteousness with regard to the individual.

Priests in general, and the Legionaries in particular, have problems with intimacy. Most of their training is quite deficient in this area. There is abundant documentation on intimacy and priests. I just wrote my own 2 cents on the subject.

I'm not at all surprised that given the events of the last ten years in the Legion and the wider Church, a priest succumbed to a need for a woman's affection. Betrayed by the founder, fuzzy dealings at the Vatican, impossible rules, dysfunctional obedience, stressful apostolates, constantly berated for being a brain washed cult member, assailed by comments here and on other blogs - the list goes on - is it any wonder a Legionary priest could fall so abysmally? God only knows if some of the comments here over the years didn't help to push this man - and/or others - "over the edge." That does not exonerate him - but for Heaven's sake let's not be so glib and cruel.

As I think Scipio pointed out, the bigger issue is the major superior's management of the Fr. Williams case since it became known to them. If we have all the facts this is (major) strike three against the leadership. That and correlated issues are fair game.

Despite our many protestations of "justice" "outrage" and "righteous indignation" so many comments are downright vicious and hurtful to many innocent people still in the Legion (including their families) and do not offer a Christian testimony to the thousands of visitors to the site. Of course this is always in the name of support for the victims, healing and analysis of the place of RC in the Church.

Unless I am very seriously mistaken most of us who comment here are by no means perfect and if our lives were subjected to the same level of scrutiny as some of these LC we might squirm. The remainder can go ahead and enjoy throwing stones.

I am not sure if he went all 4 years... actually, he might have entered right after high school. I do remember Cheshire superiors bragging about Fr Lorenzo Gomez's fruits of Detroit and if I am not mistaken that Fr Thomas Williams was one of the first ECyD kids from Detroit area. Even though he wasn't an apostolic which they probably didn't have in the U.S. yet, considering his age, he was being groomed for the priesthood as a member of ECyD. Fr Joseph Burtka also falls into that category. Btw, I can only imagine the conflict in TW. His laugh was more boisterous which sticks out, but definitely refreshing then the LC stoic way and seemed to be more normal which makes it much harder to understand why he couldn't have been like Fr Morris, Fr Richard Gill etc and high tailed it out. Maybe I'm wrong about the normal part.

Hey Monk, you are completely delirious to think that Morris had an affair because of the comments here. What a wild and ruthless accusation. You are not perfect either. Except you keep posting here like you are the end all beat all for the truth about the Legion.

The truth is, you are still living largely off the Legion vapors and your posts are evidence that you just can't let go of the cult.

Thomas Williams, LC, ThD, is a Catholic priest and professor of theology and ethics. Fr. Thomas' mission is to positively impact culture through the participation in modern day media.

Thomas Williams grew up in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, and studied finance and economics at the University of Michigan, where he earned a bachelors degree in business administration and managerial economics with high distinction. Shortly afterward, in September, 1985, he entered the congregation of the Legionaries of Christ and for the next nine years studied Catholic spirituality in Cheshire (Connecticut), classical humanities and ancient and modern languages in Salamanca (Spain), and philosophy and theology in Rome. Williams was ordained a Catholic priest on November 25, 1994 in Mexico City.


Fr. Williams holds degrees in theology, philosophy and business administration, as well as a diploma in languages and classical humanities. He is senior fellow of the Saint Paul Center for Biblical Theology, and a member of the Pontifical Academy of Saint Thomas Aquinas.

He is known as an author of faith-based books and for his television appearances as a Vatican analyst and consultant on faith, ethics and religion, previously for NBC, and currently for CBS News.

Fr. Williams teaches at the Regina Apostolorum Pontifical Atheneum, a university run by the Legionaries of Christ and resides in Rome, Italy.

Monk, it'd be appreciated if you could identify yourself at the beginning of your comments so I won't waste time reading your drivel. Luckily I am familiar with your style, so I read ahead to see the author. Sure enough, it's Monk the closet Legion press secretary.

Our indignation is not due to our self-righteousness. It's due to the scandal that the Legion continually heaps upon the Bride of Christ and we are GOD DAMNED SICK AND TIRED OF IT!!

I don't know why its ok for you to comment and analyze this situation Monk, yet not ok for others? I'm sure you can reconsider the 3rd paragraph of your above post, where it seems you partly blame critics of the Legion for driving TW to his actions. The poor man read LARC and he just snapped and had to have sex! It makes no sense.

Thought I read that TW graduated from the University of MI in the mid 80's with a degree in business and entered the Legion shortly thereafter. It's in one of the news articles.

This is from his now 'removed' website.

This should answer the questions about the history: when he entered, etc. Notice the gap of time evident in his book publishing schedule. I wonder if that offers any clues.

Father Thomas D. Williams LC, an American Moral Theologian, is a theology professor at the Regina Apostolorum University in Rome and Consultant on Vatican affairs for CBS News. In this capacity, Father Williams covered the U.S. Papal visit of Pope Benedict XVI in April, 2008 and the Pope's trip to the Holy Land in July, 2009. From 2004 to 2007 Williams worked as Faith and Religion Analyst for NBC and MSNBC News, and during this time he appeared regularly on The Today Show, NBC Nightly News, Dateline, and MSNBC's Ethical Edge. He has also worked extensively for Sky News iChurch and ethical issues. For both NBC and Sky News, Williams covered the final illness and death of Pope John Paul II, the 2005 papal conclave and the election of Pope Benedict XVI.

Thomas Williams grew up in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, and studied finance and economics at the University of Michigan, where he earned a bachelors degree in business administration and managerial economics with high distinction. Shortly afterward, in September, 1985, he entered the congregation of the Legionaries of Christ and for the next nine years studied Catholic spirituality in Cheshire (Connecticut), classical humanities and ancient and modern languages in Salamanca (Spain), and philosophy and theology in Rome. Williams was ordained a Catholic priest on November 25, 1994 in Mexico City.

In that same year, Father Williams was appointed superior of the community of the general directorate of the Legionaries of Christ in Rome and served in this position for six years. During this time he continued his graduate studies, obtaining a licentiate degree in Philosophy and a doctorate in Theology summa cum laude. In 2000 he was named dean of the Theology School at Regina Apostolorum University in Rome, a post he held from 2000 to 2007. At Regina Apostolorum Williams teaches courses in Moral Theology, Catholic Social Thought, Dignity and Human Rights, Conscience, and Christology. He is also senior fellow at the Saint Paul Center for Biblical Theology in the United States and a member of the Pontifical Academy of Saint Thomas Aquinas. Williams has taught in various capacities in Trujillo (Peru), Leggiuno (Italy), Caracas (Venezuela), Krakow (Poland) and Madrid (Spain). In 2002 and 2003 he served as theological consultant to Mel Gibson for the making of the film The Passion of the Christ.

Father Williams is conversant in English, Spanish, Italian, French, and German and has a working knowledge of Portuguese, Latin and ancient Greek.

A well-known speaker and writer, Williams has published 14 books, including Who Is My Neighbor? Personalism and the Foundations of Human Rights (Catholic University of America Press, 2005), Servants and Witnesses of Hope (Logos Press, 2001), Springtime of Evangelization (Ignatius Press, 1999), Building on Solid Ground (Staten Island: Alba House, 1994), Spiritual Progress: Becoming the Christian You Want to Be (Hachette, 2007), Greater Than You Think: A Theologian Answers the Atheists About God (Hachette, 2008), Knowing Right From Wrong: A Christian Guide to Conscience (Hachette, 2008), and Can God be Trusted? (Hachette, 2009), and The World As It Could Be: Catholic Social Thought for a New Generation (Crossroad, 2011).

Williams has also published more than a hundred articles both scholarly and popular on a wide range of topics, and his essays have appeared in The Wall Street Journal, First Things, Sacerdos, The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, The National Catholic Register, Catholic Dossier, Seminarium, The Irish Catholic, Inside the Vatican, Logos, Crisis Magazine, Alpha Omega, National Review, Sapientia, The Human Life Review, Nova et Vetera, The Catholic Thing, Katholische Wochenzeitung, Homiletic and Pastoral Review, új Ember, Catholic Men's Quarterly, Catalunya Cristiana, Ecclesia, Kvarnerski Vez, The Denver Catholic Register and Famiglia Cristiana. He has also been cited in The New York Times, Newsweek, Time Magazine, USA Today, The Detroit Free Press, The Philadelphia Enquirer, and The Houston Chronicle.

Father Williams is also a regular preacher of Ignatian Spiritual Exercises for priests and laypersons.

"The poor man read LARC and he just snapped and had to have sex! It makes no sense."
LOL!!

Monk, your silly accusations remind me of Yul Brynner's Rameses: "Your viper's tongue drove me to it" (or whatever he said to Anne Baxter). Giselle, you make a great Nephretiri!

Think before you type, my good man. What's more likely to "push this man over the edge" - The comments here, or the institutionalized behavior of the founder? Which one did TW have easier access to, hmmm?

Legionaries love to say that they knew about the scandal. Whatever scandal it is, it doesn't matter. They say that they knew about it and it's no big deal to them. It's a lot like Monk's response to the scandal. It's justified. The transgressions of a priest are justified.

I've been thinking about my own marriage vocation and parent vocation. It's been very difficult recently, I would share with you the fricken hell our family has been through over the past several years and I'm not even talking about my experience with this group, but I'll digress for the readers sake.

So next month, when I tell you that I had an affair, I want you all to know that Monk, drove me to it!

@Justice: an appropriately absurd comment in response to an absurd comment. Prayers, dear one. We'll toss you into the novena-machine in the coming week...

Thank you! Very much welcomed!

Justice, I wish I could hit "Like" on that one!!! ROFL!!!

"As I think Scipio pointed out, the bigger issue is the major superior's management of the Fr. Williams case since it became known to them. If we have all the facts this is (major) strike three against the leadership. That and correlated issues are fair game."

Agree and think that is what most people are posting about...but I still think there is an issue where you have a priest preaching moral theology, conscience and trust in God and not living what he speaks and who knows how many years that was going on. Plus a good superior would call him on it and give him another apostolate or if the LC leaders knew about it - how could they throw him in front of a camera on EWTN the week of the scandal (although - the good Lord allowed that to happen because those two were already scheduled to talk about something else and it was live!!)

It is like the devout Catholic couple teaching NFP while the wife is on the pill and they keep that a secret because that sin is no one's business.

Once the class finds out - they will think NFP is a joke and walk away.

Strike three as Monk called it could be the thing that makes Catholics walk away from the faith and truth. It hurts our Church and that is the anger you are seeing. You would have thought everyone would have come clean of everything in Feb 2009 once Maciel's news hit the fan.....how can you hold a lie after that?

I agree, monk,that the main issue is the handling of it, and the fact of the imprudence of allowing him to be a high profile moral teacher during a time of scandal with the founder. I have compassion for Fr. W., and wish him no evil, and, yes, many have sinned (but few are chosen to be the poster-children for virtue). One of the problems in our Church is loss of the meaning of conversion, and how important a knowledge of forgiveness is to those in ministry, because it is this forgiveness that is the gospel they preach. I haven't read his writings, esp those post-event, but I would hope they contained evidence of testimony to the reconciliation received in Christ. That was St. Paul's strength - the passing on of the forgiveness he had received. He didn't shy from confessing his sin over and over, joyfully, in testimony to God's greater grace.

Yes, Monk, the constant barrage of criticism from the internet forces LC priests to unzip their pants and have intimate relations with women and impregnate them. Good one. I'll have to remember that next time I'm reminded that committing adultery is a mistake. I guess now, according to you, we're all complicit in adultery.

You know something, my husband is under a ton of pressure at work. He is a liaison between 3 completely separate entities. He works 12 hour days. The constant barrrage of criticism doesn't usually lead him to come home & send the kids to bed so we can lock the door & get busy. Usually, those times are reserved for when work is slow and he doesn't have enough to do.

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