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I have been reading the statements from several PC girls and I am horrified. While I have always heard terms like '"cult" regarding LC/RC, I had not read detailed accounts from girls who were in the schools. All of the reports of abuse are so bad, but to hear these accounts brings it home. I am so sad for the young women who were deceived, and sad for their families.

I'm wondering if it's very wrong to say that this sort of thing happening to girls in a religious setting (spiritual manipulation and warping of the emotions) is the equivalent of the molestation that happened to the boys. There are parallels, but I don't want to insult any real physical differences, just a thought.

Agreed, to read of sexual abuse is horrific, but for some reason these accounts from the girls make me sick too. Abusive mind control = abuse of any sort? I have not been there personally so I cannot say.

This treatment of young adolescent girls is abysmal. With all the multitude of rules to follow, they could never perfect themselves. Working on themselves first so they could give Jesus to others was what destroyed many of the women's religious orders after Vatican II. How can LC/RC teach Pope John Paul II's Theology of the Body to students in the pre-candidacy when they fail to respect the inherent dignity and freedom of each of them, whether seminarian or candidate? Hopefully, they can restore their faith in God and his Church through this new blog. This.Is.Not.Catholic.

DM, your comments are hilarious (Scholastica!). I remember being asked to attend a TOB event at Pinecrest (I responded “not over my d*** body”, when I told this in confession, the priest burst into laughter…). I totally support the concept that humans are not meat, that spousal love is a gift from God so we can give new life, in love. But how many tomes of impossible to understand Polish intellectual jargon does it take to explain boy meets girl? TOB is almost longer than the Bible and more difficult to read. To boot, it was written just as the sex abuse scandal reports started to pore into the Vatican, yet nothing was done. TOB is so inscrutable that it has generated a virtual cottage industry of “interpreters”. That, in it self, became a quasi cult. The concept I think is valid, but not that complicated. Make it into a clear, one or two pager.

And the hypocrisy of it all: LC ramming TOB down the throats of young people, while they screw around and impregnate whom they want. And they are still in charge of these women? Hello, Curia, anyone home? Knock, knock. Hello?

Let these women create their own order, join legit convents or disband. The Church allowed women to form orders in the middle ages. Not now: only creepy men can tell women how to become spouses of Christ. Just pathetic, there is no other word.

Now this being said, a lot of the secular world 60's style point of view is pretty pathetic.

...not to mention making them go on demure "fashion" catwalks in potato saks...

Why DEAD is written as d***d? What has 'Polish intellectual jargon' got to do with anything?
This is as clear and intelligent as pretending 'Mexican' doings is equal to 'non-EU' betrayal by disgusting MMaciel.
NO doubt it's horrible to have to acknowledge you've been taken in by a con-man. Bad, bad for you. We shall pray NOT FOR LC, but for its victims.

Interesting. I'm currently reading (about halfway through) a book by evangelical writer/traveling preacher Steve Sampson titled "Confronting Jezebel: Discerning and Defeating the Spirit of Control (Revised and Expanded Edition)"

Although I don't agree with everything he writes, so far I would say that about 95 percent of it is pretty insightful and applicable in a Catholic context. What I found particularly helpful is chapter five in which the author shares 40 traits of a controlling (aka "Jezebel") spirit:

Here's the first five, the first being the most serious according to the author:

1 - Refuses to admit guilt or wrongdoing.

2 - Takes credit for everything.

3 - Uses people to accomplish a personal agenda.

4 - Withholds information (while attempting to pull as much information as possible from you).

5 - Talks in confusion.

The book is published by chosenbooks.com and retails for about $13 U.S.

See, after reading this I don't understand why anyone would let their daughter or son be involved in Challenge or Conquest. Yet, they do thinking it is a harmless club that will form them in their faith. They think it is harmless to get involved in Challenge and Conquest because their son or daughter won't be sucked into the PC. But isn't Challenge Club just a breeding ground for PC? How much involvement does the 3gf have with Challenge clubs and the LC with Conquest, now that they have become more "parish based"?

"One time that I'll never forget, she yelled in frustration, "Why can't you just be like everyone else?" "

Lovely. What an affirmation of the human person. Such respect for the unique gifts and traits that this young woman must have had.

And these women want to teach Theology of the Body?

As Gandalf himelf would say:

"Fly, you fools!!"

"Here she notes her inner struggle (which they labeled as pride and lack of love for God):"

The only pride going on here is the puffed-up pride of the little macielistas running the place. Confusing your will for God's will is a common trait among the formators in Regnum Christi. And it's all from Maciel's methodology. When you make yourself a god, you can justify anything from bullying to outright sex and verbal abuse.

These testimonies bring out how the children's natural psychological and emotional development is deliberately crushed and stunted -- and their needs exploited -- to make them more uniform and compliant sales reps for the cult.

Someone mentioned a class action lawsuit -- at least I hope that these kids' experiences will be studied by child psychologists.

The parents of minors could file suit against the Legion and RC. But some might demur, citing patience and long suffering. Why is it considered virtuous to let other people get hurt????

I know a cheery parent who refuses to believe anything bad, because God is in control via the Pope, etc. And if you say anything, you are a temptation. When I think of how much responsibility falls on the head of the Pope...


How do people withstand years of emotional abuse? Do they shut themselves off emotionally? Do they lose the ability to have compassion and empathy for the suffering of others? If they lack these virtues, are they incapable of love? If they cannot love, can they be a fisher of man?

Jesus said,
"I give you  a new commandment: love one another.  As I have loved you, so you also should love one another.  This is how all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another" (John 13: 34-35).

In the Legion and RC, I've seen many fishers of people's money, but are they really fishers of men?

Justice,
Many do shut themselves emotionally... Others get on tremendous roller coaters trying to catch up with life.
Many others depressed because they feel rejected by God, even though they tried to do their best, they were not worthy enough. this is how their directors make them feel at the end when they ask them to leave.
It takes time, therapy, grace of God, and a lot of good will to get over all the guilty and anger they feel.

I think these testimonies are so revealing that every bishop, at least in the US, should get a copy.

Except the bishops seem to think if they ignore it, it will go away. And hey, look! The school is moving! They'll have normal classes! They can be in the play! So why crack down on past ills that happened outside your diocese????

Not to mention the "These are anonymous accounts forwarded to me to a third party... why should I act?" objection.

But these girls are doing a HUGE SERVICE, because now moms who bother to Google before giving their child to RC can read about the much vaunted 'formation' and do what they need to do to protect their daughters. So even if the exPC blog doesn't result in official church action, it will save some girls from sharing their fate--which is probably what they're aiming for.

In many ways, they lag in reporting, the desire to save others, the guilt that they haven't spoken up earlier and other girls have been hurt in the meantime----it DOES look an awful lot like the process girls I knew who were abused by teachers went through.....

just me, It's about time that the emotional abuse is finally getting its due credit as one of the major reasons the LC/RC needs reform (dissolution, imo). Emotional abuse can be just as damaging as physical and sexual abuse. Yet, none of these abuses was enough to move the Curia to close the Legion doors on recruitment. Why is that? Are they waiting for dead bodies?

@just me, I agree whole-heartedly, but the RI bishop seemed to like ICA during his visits...afterall, the 3gfs ARE all about appearances, so they clean, feed, and sing (again, academics suffered). I am bothered that he has allowed the "movement" to grasp on to so much in RI.

Teenagers biting and scratching their arms to ease emotional pain, imagining their own funeral in a place while supposedly discerning their own vocation, should not be an information that we now own and make us move forward to the next post.
If they are at last talking they need all our support and I believe they need help in every manner that we can give them.

Does anybody knows how to get in touch with them? I know many other who are willing to share their ow stories.

just me, Deidre is spot on. The bishops do not want this problem. Third party, second party stories are not evidence - just gossip. Most victims will not go through the grueling process of detailing their abuses just to share them with an unsympathetic bishop who won't do anything anyway. That's why blogs like this, FB, regain, et al, are so important because they do more to inform the public than the Church.

Parents who investigate and ignore these warnings are most likely selfishly, getting something in return for their lack of good parenting.

Justice, "Are they waiting for dead bodies?"
I've just read this paragraph on the last post they shared today. Sorry for posting something too long but it's worthy it:
"The first few days were horrible. I felt isolated and every ounce of “me” was being forced into something else…like a block of cheese being forced into a grinding food processor. The future held no sense of hope or promise for me…I was terrified of what I would become. I stopped eating as it seemed like the only thing I could control, and also because subconsciously I rationalised food as sustenance and I didn’t want to sustain myself there…I wanted to reject my future there but since I felt like I had no real choice, this was all I could do. I lost a lot of weight and often felt dizzy and found it hard to concentrate. My Assistant and Spiritual Guide talked about it frequently with me and since I didn’t know how to articulate why they suggested reasons for me. Was I homesick? No…not really, I’m generally a pretty good about being away from home and doing my own thing. Did I not like the food? I don’t think it’s that as I’ve never been a fussy eater. Was I sick in some way but just not telling them? Not that I know of... The truth was I had just lost my joy of being alive and the “essence” of me felt oppressed and controlled."
We know an irish 3G already died of pneumonia due to anorexia complications.

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