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Seems to be some confusion in the article between Grupo Integer and "grupo Integer Ethical Fuds (IEF)".

Maybe not. When you see the IEF's webpage you also see there Fidelis Institute. I think it's the same holding. Garza used to say that Integer was only the association of all the Legion's workers but I suspect it was part of something bigger. Pictet is a private bank and as far as I can understand it's like the manager of the Legion's finances using IEF as the middleman. Maybe someboy can enlighten us.

The Milenium article is very vague and mixes past and present information. It's FALSE LC apostholic schools are closing due to money restrictions. Chile, Argentina and Colfax were closed for lack of candidates. Dublín, Cornwall and Salamanca the same thing, lack of candidates. I myself told this few months ago, here. Maybe the only building closing due to predominantly economic reasons is Thornwood, but not for lack of resources, but the high cost of the luxurious resort.
Remember LC raise about 600 million dollars a year in education (according to their own statistics; see this article:
The author of the article confuses apples with bananas (even with apples) . The Integer Group was an attempt to turn the Legion into a lucrative business. The investment fund called : Integer Ethical Fuds continues in Europe.

What happens to all the staff and priests of all these locations being shut down? I get it that lay people will just be laid off. Will there be a lot of LC priests at loose ends with no particular day to day role if their schools or other centres are closed? I actually have detected that in an LC I know - a certain degree of free time.

Agreed Estatua- do not be fooled whenever the LC pleads poverty. If they were in dire straits they would have sold Thornwood off by now to the highest bidder. No they can tranquilly bide their time till the price is right.

This spin on what is really old news is a tactic to ward off more lawsuits by making it look as if the LCs are broke.

Between 2009-2013 nearly 180 priests have left the Legion.

In the following days, the Congregation must submit their statistics to the Vatican...

Aggressive recruitment continues: Last week during a soccer tournament in Merida, Mexico, Alejandro García Acevedo an expert recruiter appeared for a "music concert", smiling before and after soccer matches and then asking for emails and phone numbers among the boys.

The article:

Good article,
If you don't want to read with font size 8 with grey letters, you can go to:úa-sangria-legionarios-cristo

which is much easier to read.

According to the article they have lost 644 novices and religious since 2009.

Economic problems?
This is the NEW LC poverty. See this article:

Sorry to hijack the trend here, but couldn't help to notice how much this reminds to my old days in the Legion. Not that some superiors behaved like dictators or anything.

Estatua and Les are right. The real problem is not finances, but vocations. Except for Spain, there is very little mention in the article of lucrative schools closing in other countries, like Mexico. LC seminaries, on the other hand, are closing or being combined. Why? Shortage of vocations. Given the number of priests who have left the legion and the lower number entering the ranks, it was necessary to shift priests to other centers.

Interesting. If the problem were financial, it would mean that we, the faithful, didn't get the memo: that the congregation is renewed with full approval. If the problem is really vocations, it means that the "brand" has suffered, meaning the problem is not us, but them.

That said, I have always assumed that they have lots of money tucked away. The fact that they won't use it to invest in these storefronts may mean that they don't believe in the power of their own "brand" any more. Oremus!

Any word on ICAS or Sacred Heart in Indiana?

@ Hope: thanks for the chuckle!

Does Kim Jong Un have anything to say about how to eat a banana or about double-breasted black suits?

It should be noted that Dublin and Salamanca aren't being sold: operations are simply winding down. I'm not exactly sure how they are saving much money by closing the Dublin novitiate: their basic costs were covered by OAK academy and it was always a small community. They still have to pay the oil bill for that big building etc

Regarding Salamanca, they will still have to pay for these seminarians' formation - and they will have to fly them to the other side of the world as well (presuming any European seminarians that is).

If they were really pushed for money they would be selling the Novitiate. Even in today's economic difficulties, it is prime real estate in Dublin.

These closures are indicative of much more than costs as others have said: there aren't any vocations in these places.

I feel that when it comes down to the Legion, money and vocations are always the reason. According to the General Chapter document, number 17 asks that most Novices be assigned to their respective Territories. So the champions of "universality" are beginning to avoid sending people to other countries. You are all right in saying that money shouldn't be a problem since many of those places, given their small size, are way easier to keep than the really big ones. I think that many centers have been in debt for awhile. In Cheshire we were always asked to find sufficient funds for the center. We were told that we should made an effort to find local benefactors given that we used a lot of the Legion's money. At that time I used to think that Fr Alvaro was right, and that we should have shown more appreciation to the Legion by being self sufficient. Later I realized that there shouldn't have been anything wrong with not being "self sufficient". I mean, what happened with the money of all those huge benefactors they used to bring to the Novitiate in Cheshire. I am pretty sure most of them intended their donations to be made for the Novitiate or Thornwood. So the money mostly went to Rome, and they decided what to do with it, no surprised if a good deal of it went to Maciel, Devlin, and all those next to him in his "time of penance and prayer" in his resort in Florida. Another part of the money must have been sent to places like Cornwall, a place with no vocations and no benefactors. The list could go on, Cordoba, Chile, Porto Alegre, Salamanca, most if not all the houses in Italy. Most of those places do not have many benefactors NOR vocations. All they have been trying to do is to obtain more money from the places they could (Mexico and the US), but only one place as far as I know was self sufficient and was able to send money to Rome, and that was Monterrey. I feel that it is a mix of both, and maybe the lack of benefactors is beginning to be hurt a little, they cannot keep their show off centers (look we have a Novitiate in Quebec) anymore, plus I hardly doubt superiors are going to begin behaving in an authentic vow of poverty. Can't imagine Sada, Garza, Baillerez or Devlin living without their iPhones, fancy first class trips, Acapulco vacation, and so on. The last ones who will be asked to live in poverty will be the superiors.

I need to disagree. Germany was always self sufficient. Money went to Spain, France, Poland, and yes, also Rome.

Thanks for the clarification Fr Andreas. My knowledge of these centers comes from what we were constantly told. Monterrey was always hailed as the example to be followed. And in a way it was, Germany had 20 to 30 Legionaries at the most. Don´t know whether they´d be able to keep a house like the one in Cheshire. Monterrey is their crown jewel: Schools, ECYD, RC sections of 300 members, Apostolic School, Novitiate, Center of Humanities, and the money was ready for a Center of Higher Studies (they never opened it because they needed to fill Rome and Thornwood first). They hoped Cheshire and Thornwood would become their next golden mine.

Donors in the U.S. appear to have received almost exclusively, for some years, Fr. Bannon's letters appealing specifically for support of the Cheshire seminary. How much of those donations were actually applied to the seminary's needs???

The 3GM & 3GF officially recognize that Consecrated men or women in RC does not exist!!!

No english translations of docs available yet.

Rev Andreas - was the novice community told they were always self-sufficient?

It was a common tactic in the Legion to turn the heat off for a day or two every winter pretending that the oil had run out (or letting it run out intentionally) to encourage us to ask for money. It was a deception to lead us to believe that we had so little money we couldn't afford the oil bill. This wasn't true.

Were the German benefactors aware that their donations for the German novitiate (for example) being given for other purposes?

Can you tell if any of your donations were used or not used for the lucrative lifestyle of Maciel and other superiors? Did you donors pay for BMWs? Did your donors pay for helicopter rides? Did you donors pay for the red carpet we rolled out for him? Did you donors pay for Maciel's wives/children/holidays?

RE: Estatua:"The 3GM & 3GF officially recognize that Consecrated men or women in RC does not exist!!!"

The relevant text cited by the article was: "The Cardinal made us see that it was not possible to sign an agreement of juridical force while the associations of the consecrated branches were not canonically erected by the Holy See"

How interesting to see that Totus Tuus has more canonical status than the 3GF/M right now. When leading Churchmen do not follow their own rules, what is that saying? It tells us that the whole process of visitation, renewal and its results are not to be trusted, sadly.

You are right AnonObserv,
The visitation was a lame game. The Bishop would receive the Legionaries one by one and had a Q & A format - basically surrounding how they were, why they joined, etc. and they got enough saintly testimonies to make a tepid catholic cry. I joined for Christ, everything I do is for Christ, I just want to live my vocation, I am happy here, etc, etc. Then the Bishop feels sorry for the brothers and the compassion factor takes over. They forget why they are there and really never dig very deep into the nuts and bolts that make the Legion tick. I don't believe that the members were schooled but that is not the Legion's first dance and know how to manage a visitation to their advantage. After the 56-59 visitation period, many Cardinals became best friends with LCs and moved to the Via Aurelia house to live out their days.

I think the Church has to really think through their visitation methodology before they get there. If not, they get lost in the human interest aspects and never get down to business. They didn't seem to do that in the case of the US nuns which is surprising since they steamrolled them over with no interest whatsoever in them personally.

Re: the Cheshire fundraisers. Money never touched down in the Cheshire bank account - all went to territorial bank account and then was used for territorial and DG needs. Cheshire had to make a money transfer request and always got a fraction of what they asked for. Main point - seminarians with leaky roof, no milk, no gas for cars, etc raise more money than fat, apathetic seminarians. By the way, the Cheshire vehicles were accidents waiting to happen - brakes were bad, tires were bare, no snow tires, no maintenance so brothers were breaking down on the road. And then think about the Cheshire bus - the brother in charge didn't even know where to put the brake fluid and once they lost the brakes down a steep hill and went up onto 2 wheels. They continued all the way up to Center Harbor with no brakes.

I would call the Cheshire fundraisers a scam, but maybe that is too strong. However it is clear that the intentions of the donors were not respected.

@Little Light
I don't think the Visitation was made with bad methodology or poor results. Remember three or at least two Bishops suggested dissolution for the Maciel opera in the final report.
The problem comes later with the Curia coverup. The last declaration of 3GM-3GF Assembly is very enlightening about the double standard. Velasio de Paolis, Canon Law expert, says they cannot sign an agreement with juridical force, but they can take votes (or promises) with doubtful juridical validity.

How can VdP not be a liar?

At the time the visitation was taking place, the LCs were being hit with nearly daily new negative revelations about Maciel. They were depressed, confused and struggling to find meaning. My point is that the Bishop (at least in the US) focused too much on individual stories. This is where the Legion excels. The Legion has layers and to get to the deeper levels, it takes a lot of effort since there is tremendous resistence to getting beyond the superficial layer of saintly LCs living for Christ. There was plenty they didn't analyze like the financial side (their fundraising scams), recruiting styles & how little kids are convinced to enter their minor seminary, the cultish control over information and internet use, levels of stress in LC communities caused by Superiors pitting one member against another, how LCs (don't) work with their members to decide if they should renew their vocation, continue on towards priesthood, etc. Of course, the visitation brought good fruits, but much was left undone and unanalyzed.

I lost a lot of hope in the whole process when the dissolution recommended by at least 2 visitors was ignored. Why bother with a visitation? Did they require unanimous support for dissolution in order for that to take place? I personally believe we'd all be better off - current and former RCs, LCs, victims and the Church - if the whole thing had been dissolved back in 2010. Now we watch the result of a sham reform unfold. It's not a question of 'if' but 'when' the next scandal will occur. My opinion.

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